Cars You Don't Like

[Smurf.]

But look how many lotus sunbeams were made.but no worries. Move along who hates what??

 

[Überdub]

Direct competitors for an AE86 - mid-80's, smallish coupé / hatch ideally not derived from a shopping car - not much. Most manufacturers had abandoned rwd for smaller cars (and the larger stuff quite often too) and its rwd rivals would generally be older / more upmarket ££ / more powerful / turbo / sometimes 4x4 / 4-door.

Closest competitors I can think of would be the fwd Alfasud Sprint and Mk. II Scirocco and the rwd Nissan 200SX. Maybe even an Isuzu Piazza? Or maybe they were more upmarket? I can't remember. From a packaging point of view that's about all that springs to mind. Fast forward 30 years and if you purely want a cult car for diffing, then most of those criteria - shape / size / original bhp - everything except the driven wheels no longer matter.

Forgot to say the closest competitor was probably the fwd AE82...

 

[Nicky]

But look how many lotus sunbeams were made.but no worries. Move along who hates what??

How does the number of them produced make a difference? That’s hardly a valid argument to say they’re not crap.

 

[Smurf.]

What i was saying was they were a fun mass produced car.not something only a few made etc . Just an ordinary car that people still enjoy today. Comparing them to a limited run , specialist car is not a comparison.

So getting back to who hates what..

 

[Lee]

I knew half of Japan were wrong and a few on RMS were right. I just knew it

 

[Coog]

Half of Japan drive stuff that looks like a vauxhall agila

 

[endofreak]

I developed a real hatred for VW in the mid 2000's after the wife owned a wee polo that gave us a load of bother. They may be reasonably priced cars to buy but my god they are expensive to maintain.

 

[cauld1]

NI/IRE spec twincams are embarrassing.

Well sorted Japanese ones are cool. Would I own one though? No.

Kei cars are by and large cool also, even though most have questionable styling. Considering half or more of NI drives dull diesel dross that arguments not great

 

[Ian A]

5 door Audi A5's.

5 door 4 series BMWs

 

[DriftnSlide]

Chrysler Cruiser !
Mk2 Nissan Micra

 

[vezna]

All BMW’s. Great to drive, great interiors, great to look at, terrible reliability. The only thing I’ve ever owned that was more unreliable was a Renault Megane Coupe.

I’d love to love BMW’s but they drove me insane with the endless repairs that could only be done by specific mechanics. Such a wallet emptier, would be cheaper to run my own F1 team.

 

[stuartyvilla]

This is a tough questions, for me I haven't driven many more cars outside of my own for any length of time so I am in no position to say I 'hate' them as such, but like others have said there are certain cars I just have no notion of owning or want to own.

Humdrum VAG/BMW cars-not saying they're bad, the amount on the road says otherwise, but that for me is the problem, they are so common now that I just wouldn't own one. it saddens me as well that a lot of the younger generation now get all excited over Golfs or Sciroccos, or base spec BMW 1/3 Series and the like for their image and don't see the appeal with more left field choices, but then I'm probably the weird one here.

People carriers/Certain SUV's- People carriers I really don't get, need space then a big estate is the answer in my opinion, as for SUV's I just don't get the need for one if you don't do any offroading, although I do really like the idea of the new Jimny.

I also agree on the E Type debate, S1 & lowdrags are lovely, later ones not so much, and I do think they are a little overrated when it comes to their looks.

Modern McLarens also do zero for me bar the P1 and the 675LT, of course I have no doubt they are incredible to drive, but there is just something about them that I wouldn't want to actually own one, I would rather have the euivaent Ferrari or Lamborghini.

Of course all of this is in my opinion, and really what do I know, I love French cars which says it all lol!

 

[Lyons]

Beetle, E-Type, 2CV and VW Camper.

 

[gcon45]

Lyons hates hippies.

 

[r16vka]

Fast diesels, just get a petrol you misers :-D

If i'd bought the equivelant petrol Mk4 Anniversary i'd have standard 30bhp more, but 63lbft less torque. plus to get me to my current 320lbft in a 1.8 petrol would cost a small fortune.

Plus the miser in me not only enjoys 19 more mpg, but the £155 tax versus the £315 for the petrol

 

[roverspeed]

If i'd bought the equivelant petrol Mk4 Anniversary i'd have standard 30bhp more, but 63lbft less torque. plus to get me to my current 320lbft in a 1.8 petrol would cost a small fortune.

Plus the miser in me not only enjoys 19 more mpg, but the £155 tax versus the £315 for the petrol

I'd give mk4 golfs a by ball, the petrol models weren't very special with the exception of the flawed but amazing sounding R32

 

[purplea4T]

I'd give mk4 golfs a by ball, the petrol models weren't very special with the exception of the flawed but amazing sounding R32

They were miles ahead of a mk3 Golf and certainly better made than the mk5 that everyone raves about. The fact there’s so many of them still about is testament to this - not many Rovers/MG of any model, focuses have rotted away, as has a lot of the contemporary jap stuff. A decent 18t isn’t a bad car, safe handling, economical and cheap to repair/replace parts on, plus a couple of hundred quid gets you a healthy dollop of extra power. Not “special” by any stretch of the imagination but very competent - I’d rather an Anniversary than an r32

 

[Coog]

They were miles ahead of a mk3 Golf and certainly better made than the mk5 that everyone raves about. The fact there’s so many of them still about is testament to this - not many Rovers/MG of any model, focuses have rotted away, as has a lot of the contemporary jap stuff. A decent 18t isn’t a bad car, safe handling, economical and cheap to repair/replace parts on, plus a couple of hundred quid gets you a healthy dollop of extra power. Not “special” by any stretch of the imagination but very competent - I’d rather an Anniversary than an r32

Definitely weren't as well screwed together as the MK3 IMO. Though they did drive (marginally) better and were far more modern.

 

[Gambit]

flawed but amazing sounding R32

what was flawed about the mk4 r32?

 

[Ben]

Probably gonna say it's fuel economy or something.

 

[roverspeed]

what was flawed about the mk4 r32?

Wouldn't i correct in thinking that they weren't the most exciting steer in the hot hatch market?

But the engine note went someways to make up for it.

 

[roverspeed]

They were miles ahead of a mk3 Golf and certainly better made than the mk5 that everyone raves about. The fact there’s so many of them still about is testament to this - not many Rovers/MG of any model, focuses have rotted away, as has a lot of the contemporary jap stuff. A decent 18t isn’t a bad car, safe handling, economical and cheap to repair/replace parts on, plus a couple of hundred quid gets you a healthy dollop of extra power. Not “special” by any stretch of the imagination but very competent - I’d rather an Anniversary than an r32

I have a soft spot for mk4s

But I had thought the general consensus was that the mk3 and mk4 gti's were rather mundane when it came to driving dynamics, and the mk5 "return to form of old, i.e.the mk1 and mk2

 

[purplea4T]

I have a soft spot for mk4s

But I had thought the general consensus was that the mk3 and mk4 gti's were rather mundane when it came to driving dynamics, and the mk5 "return to form of old, i.e.the mk1 and mk2

I thought the mk5 was every bit as soulless as a mk4! Part of the criticism was that it was being compared to the Focus mk1 which was a great handling motor. I do know what you mean about the r32 though, it’s one of the most inefficient ways I know to turn petrol into noise and forward motion. I yearned for one, drove one, was heartbroken and thought it was just that car until I drove a second one!

 

[Coog]

Always thought the MK5 drove very like the MK2. The MK3 was solid and felt like a tank but woeful in the twisties. MK4 was marginally better but still not quite as good to drive as a MK2 or MK5

 

[r16vka]

Definitely weren't as well screwed together as the MK3 IMO. Though they did drive (marginally) better and were far more modern.

Having stripped multiple mk3s &mk4s for breaking in the past the mk4 is a fair jump in build quality.

That said I remember my dad bringing home a brand new MK3 from the civil service car pool and being amazed how well put together it was compared to the family Renault 19 of the time