Europe considers banning sports cars for Global Warming

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If one of the more extreme responses to global warming comes true, driving a sports car anywhere but on a racetrack might be relegated to history's dustbin.

Fast, powerful cars within a few years may be outlawed in Europe, an idea that has been raised ostensibly because Ferraris and Porsches produce too much carbon dioxide. For those who abhor sports cars as vulgar symbols of affluence (along with vacation homes, furs and fancy jewelry), such a ban could be a two-fer: Saving the planet while cutting economic inequality.

Who are these people anyway who decide on behalf of everyone what car is proper to drive? In the U.S. they're members of Congress, which is considering fuel-efficiency standards that will affect vehicle size. In Europe, it's the ministers and parliamentarians of the European Union, which wants to limit how much CO2 cars can emit as a proxy for a fuel- consumption standard.

Chris Davies, a British member of the European Parliament, is proposing one of the most-extreme measures -- a prohibition on any car that goes faster than 162 kilometers (101 miles) an hour, a speed that everything from the humble Honda Civic on up can exceed. He ridiculed fast cars as ``boys' toys.''

The proposed ban would take effect in 2013. Davies told the Guardian newspaper that ``cars designed to go at stupid speeds have to be built to withstand the effects of a crash at those speeds. They are heavier than necessary, less fuel-efficient and produce too many emissions.''

His last point is telling, even though there are many reasons why cars are heavier, including safety measures such as air bags and steel-reinforced crumple zones.

Focused on Cars

The idea is to limit CO2, a so-called greenhouse gas blamed for causing the earth's temperature to rise.

But the debate isn't just about how much carbon dioxide to allow into the atmosphere and whether the amount actually matters. It's also about disdain some hold for the size or speed of the cars others drive.

``Automobiles always seem to be the focus, even though they only consume 15 percent or 20 percent of energy,'' said Csaba Csere, editor of Car & Driver magazine. If politicians really cared about the atmosphere they might concentrate first on power plants or factories, he said.

The folks against sports cars in Europe and big sport utility vehicles in the U.S. often are same ones who hate McMansion-sized homes, corporate jets, jumbo freezers, yachts, 60-inch flat-screens TVs, overnight-delivery services and other trappings of Western-style wealth and energy use.

Do people demonize these goods because they can't afford them? Or because they think others shouldn't have them? Proposals to limit carbon dioxide often sound like basic opposition to prosperity and rising living standards.

Planet in Peril?

Outside of a handful of command economies, few today would agree that a central authority ought to regulate who owns what. But attacking those who ``waste'' energy achieves the same goal.

Many ardent environmentalists are convinced that the planet is in peril. Why can't they be just a bit cautious, humble or skeptical in their advocacy of reduced energy consumption, which in turn must mean reduced global economic growth?

The main reason I'm wary of Al Gore's call for radical, immediate reduction of worldwide energy consumption is that he's way too sure that the human race is on the cusp of catastrophe. With no credentials of his own, Gore relies on scientists who insist we must hurry because we're approaching a point of no return.

But how about other scientists, ones who aren't sure we're on the brink? Richard Lindzen of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, a leading climatologist, says that even if nothing is done to limit CO2, the world will heat up by 1 degree Celsius, or a couple of degrees Fahrenheit, in the next 50 to 100 years.

Move Inland

We know from everyday experience that weather forecasting is a notoriously inexact. And if the world got a bit warmer there might be more arable land and longer growing seasons in northern latitudes. Is it heresy to suggest that if seas rise, moving back from the shore might be more practical than trying to change the weather?

The polar bear population, supposedly close to being wiped out, is ``not going extinct, or even appear to be affected at present,'' Mitchell Taylor of the Department of the Environment, Government of Nunavut, told the Toronto Star last year. One population in the eastern Arctic has grown to 2,100 from 850 since the mid-1980s, he said.

A half-century ago Rachel Carson popularized the modern environmental movement with ``The Silent Spring,'' a book claiming that the pesticide DDT was destroying America's wildlife. The book's impact was reduced use of the pesticide DDT, thereby leading to the unintended consequence of more mosquitoes and more malaria deaths in developing countries.

One Little Bite

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other health agencies noted an alarming rise of malaria in places like South Africa and Peru after DDT was banned in the late 1970s. Since the mid-1990s, when DDT spraying resumed, the incidence of the disease has fallen.

Calls for limits on carbon dioxide ignore a basic point. People are likely to be better judges of the benefits of fast cars, TVs, air conditioners, and jets than government planners.

Besides, the brunt of government limits on energy use may well fall on the world's poorest nations, which need more energy -- thus generating more carbon dioxide -- to provide lighting, refrigeration, harvesting, water purification and transportation.

What right do environmentalists in rich countries have to deny residents of poorer ones the benefits of higher living standards?

I have a hunch that a ban on sports cars won't be enacted soon in Europe, largely because the Italians love their Lamborghinis, the British their Bentleys and the Germans their Porsches. But this won't be the last time that anti-consumption crusaders come disguised as guardians of the Earth.
 

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Whoever thought this up needs a severe kicking.
What really gets to me though is that these w@nkers actually waste taxpayers money sitting down and planning sh!te like this. Would that ballbag even know anything about car engines/emissions or has he a team of well paid advisors telling him about them?
 

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While the people who make these rules finish work and get into thier V8 Range Rover.
 

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yeah i heard one of these p***ks from brussels on, sayin theres no point in a car that does high speeds cos it rarely spends anytime doin those speeds and he was campaigning to stop them... T.W.A.T.!!
 

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It will never make legislation. Only very stupid governments would pass a law that would severely damage one of their key industries and ultimately their economy.

What's the Italian govt. going to do? Force Ferrari to make electric cars. Won't happen.
 

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Personally i think Global Warming is nothing but a load of government induced propoganda and nothing short of a load of bollocks !!
 

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Think of all the revenue generated from fuelling 15mpg yokes also.
 

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Yeah, government would crash if all these 'faster, boy racer' cars were not out there. Whats the tax on fuel, 80% or so? Maybe even more. The amount they would be missing out on would be catastrophic to government. No doubt they'd start taxing farts and swearing then though.
 

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I have seen it stated that all the cars across the globe only account for 0.54% of the world's CO2 output anyway. Apparently 99% comes from rotting vegetation, dead animals, farting...
 

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The principle point of all this, and wrapping it up in the MMCC (man-made climate change) propaganda is the fact we're heading (if not already on/past) the point of peak oil.
The signs are all there - reduced speed limits, tax/parking permit according to emissions category, and so on.

There's no argument climate change is happening - but it's not as a result of CO2 emissions, it's the ruddy great flaming ball of hot gases we wake up to each morning.
That and we've been coming out of a mini-Ice Age for quite some time now.
Also, given CO2 is not a good insulator by any stretch of the imagination, then it can't possibly be the cause of rising temperatures.

Polar bears are not nearing extinction - at least not at the hand of man-made nor natural CO2 output, which is lagging up to 800 years behind the Sun's cyclic solar activity.
Ice caps are not melting - in fact Antarctic has put on a helluva lot of weight.
The planet's tilt has changed (natural make up of the planet's rotation/wobble), which means the Arctic is nearer to the Sun than previously in recent times.

In other words, it's all a natural cycle that the planet has been through and will continue to go through for billions of years.
Anything else is pure hearsay via flawed computer modelling, where unknown values are given a value which predict our demise if we aren't taxed more heavily.
The Sun God must be appeased, and the only way to do so, apparently, is to bung him a few extra £, $, and ¥.
 

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You'd think with all this global warming we'd get a bit of decent weather ffs.
 

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Not necessarily decent, but more extreme Yes.

Colder and more violent in winter, And Hotter and Dryer in the Summer

Or just messed up completely! Like floods in june and july, and the tornado round the corner from my house etc..
 

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There will never be an outright ban on specific cars.

But there will be changes to the way cars are taxed, effectively putting anything "performance" related or "big" out of reach for any but the super rich. It is already reality in many European countries, like Norway or Finland, and we are heading the same way. Absolutely guaranteed, no doubt about it at all.

Not because it makes sense (it does not - if global warming is such a big deal, the main focus should be on industry, power plants, and shipping), but because it suits the agenda of the meddling finger pointers who have to tell everybody else how to live their lives. And because it is something politicians and the EU can without upsetting industry.

Global warming is the biggest scam ever. Anyone remember bird flu? This was also supposed to wipe out the world unless billions of tax money was pumped into research projects, pharmaceutical companies, etc. It all came to nothing at all what so ever.

And don't get me started on stupid wind farms, solar panels, or recycling... Or blocking off Strangford Lough, a protected area, with some utterly pointless "tidal" power plant...

Global warming is looking like just yet another money spinning scare to boost grants to researchers and industry, and promote certain agendas, while raising taxes for the rest of us to pay for it all. It is not the first one, and will not be the last one.

What we need is a revolution :innocent:
 

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I'd laugh if all the supercars were banned, just to see the faces of all those snobbies when they cant drive their pride and joy anymore.
 

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Here's another of Chris Davies' wonderful campaigns! :laughing:

In a report last month the EU's Scientific Committee on Consumer Products (SCCP) claimed that many substances in hair dyes have the potential to sensitise skin. Once a person has been sensitised to a hair dye ingredient then they may go on to develop a skin allergy.
North West MEP Chris Davies has welcomed this announcement and hopes it will allow people to colour their hair safely.

Lower level political gob****e so I wouldn't worry too much,the Germans and the Italians will just laugh at such nonsense!(y)

The sceptic in me says that we will see a lot of these sort of proposals as labour and lib dems try to compete for the "scum" vote from those who hate to see anyone doing well and buying sports cars,SUVs,houses or anything else that a typical labour/lib dem voter can't afford on state handouts!

And don't get me started on stupid wind farms, solar panels, or recycling... Or blocking off Strangford Lough, a protected area, with some utterly pointless "tidal" power plant...

Don't agree there,surely common sense would say that resources are finite so it would be sensible to try something else for power and it's not exactly hard to recycle the daft amount of packaging etc.:confounded:
 

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Alternative energy sources are not effective both in efficiency to generate electricity, nor the energy required to produce them in the first place.
A wind turbine is reckoned to need 80 years before it's Carbon Neutral, and has paid for itself! (IIRC)
Nuclear is the only option for creating the energy requirements, but we all know the likelihood of that happening once the envirolentilists and yoghurt knitters stick their 50p's worth in, in any debate.
 

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woohoo! roll on communism!


oh, p.s.: 400 years ago all the records show the climate was around 4-5degrees warmer, and crops etc all flourished because of this. we will get heavier rainfall but warmer weather all round. so bring it on, please.

pps i cant be bothered getting all the reference out but thats not something i made up...
 

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The principle point of all this, and wrapping it up in the MMCC (man-made climate change) propaganda is the fact we're heading (if not already on/past) the point of peak oil.
The signs are all there - reduced speed limits, tax/parking permit according to emissions category, and so on.


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This is the point which the media is missing - carbon footprints and global warming are all very well, the much bigger crisis is that we need to work out a way of powering our transport and everything else before the oil runs out which is max 40 years away.
Global warming is nothing compared to the worldwide catastrophe which will occur if an alternative is not found in time.
At present, nuclear power is the only thing which comes close to providing enough energy.
 

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They really should have decided to announce this on April 1st as its a joke, no country that has car manufacturers which manufacture sports cars would sign up to it, ireland and maybe lichtenstien would but that would be it. The EU is becoming a joke, they come up with this crap on a regular basis and then its all forgotten about, i guess they do have justify their existence soemhow. It makes for comical reading. I'll now worry about it as it'll never happen in my time!
 

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thing is tho.. would you want nuclear power?

Damn right! Cheap and efficient way of meeting domestic and commercial power requirements, that's less pollutive than coal and oil power stations.
Even factoring in the removal of the expended fuel rods - it's the only one that makes perfect sense.

Sticking with anything else is the equivalent of wearing the finger headset and shouting "Na na na na, I'm not listening!"
 

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thing is tho.. would you want nuclear power?

PJS is right, there is nothing else for it.
Put it this way - the oil is finishing in 40 years max, perhaps earlier if the third world countries start getting developed and using oil. This means that the price will go up and up so we probably won't be able to afford to buy any in 20 years time.
Alternatives :
(1) Wind - ok for small scale production for individual houses, but would need massive investment and probably still could not provide enough power for transport.
(2) Solar - as above but less power available.
(3) Tidal - even less.
(4) Coal - not infinite either, very messy.
(5) Nuclear - loads of power available from relatively few power stations. Not polluting except for the 'nuclear waste' which can be managed.
Could power the national grid (electricity) which could be made to electrolyse water to make hydrogen to power cars.

There is no alternative at present, I just hope the govt realises this and starts getting the power stations built as when the oil does run out it will be too late.
 

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As for running out of oil, well, already in the eighties the Norwegians were told their oil fields were running dry. Guess what? They are still pumping more than ever, they are just accessing reserves that were deemed economically or technically infeasible at the time.

Same story in Canada, where they are accessing sand locked oil that was not feasible to extract in the past.

But sure, it will run out eventually (just not any time soon), and it will keep getting more expensive. Which is where alcohol comes into the picture. With global warming we will have no problems growing sugar cane over here and produce our own rocket fuel :cool:

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And don't get me started on stupid wind farms, solar panels, or recycling... Or blocking off Strangford Lough, a protected area, with some utterly pointless "tidal" power plant...
Don't agree there,surely common sense would say that resources are finite so it would be sensible to try something else for power and it's not exactly hard to recycle the daft amount of packaging etc.:confounded:

Pay a visit to one of the big wind farms dotted around Europe. They are an eye sore, are far from quiet, and the energy produced is not even a wee in the ocean.

And as for recycling - three different lorries picking up three different bins, running it through council funded sorting plants, then subsidising private contractors to reuse the stuff?

The sensible thing to do is to simply incinerate the lot in a power plant, and use any remains for landfill (new homes) and roads. Works a treat, you would be surprised what can be incinerated.

If recycling is really economically viable, then we would see companies queueing up to run it by themselves. Instead, we are charged through the council tax bill. And all driven by EU legislation, lobbied through by the big utility companies that benefit from it.

thing is tho.. would you want nuclear power?

Not a lot of choice in reality, even Tony realised this. It is true that nuclear is enormously subsidised, it is not exactly cheap, but it is the only realistic energy source available. As for waste, there is not all that much of it, and it is not quite as dangerous as we are being told.
 
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