F1 2020

[carmad.]

i laughed when crofty said the safety car could win the race

 

[gpaevo]

Mick in Micheal's car. Highlight of the weekend.

 

[Bryan]

I think Bottas must have been reading RMS this week. There's no denying he did a brilliant job this weekend. Lewis is just on another level.

 

[DC.]

2 bad starts out of 3 tells the story of Valtteri’s day.

 

[Bryan]

In fairness he did recover well

 

[ST Colin]

Valtteri’s interview post race, he seemed absolutely deflated. He knows he is well beaten most weekends. I was really hoping Riccardo would hang on to P2 after the restart. Mugello is some circuit!

 

[Blackie]

What a race that was! I can’t recall the last time there was so much carnage and so many cars wiped out like that!

Completely the fault of Giovanazzi under the safety car restart! He gunned it before Bottas did!

Have to agree with @ST Colin there on Bottas, completely deflated in that interview.

I also agree that Mugello is a great circuit! I hope it’s not a one time thing.

 

[pablo]

I think Bottas must have been reading RMS this week. There's no denying he did a brilliant job this weekend. Lewis is just on another level.

Had all the opportunities but just couldn’t take it to Hamo.

that was some smash on the restart. Brutal

 

[Blackie]

What happened to Ocon? I somehow missed why he retired?

What happened to Ocon? I somehow missed why he retired?

Nevermind, Googled it, allegedly his rear brakes caught fire under the safety car

 

[Bryan]

I really wanted to see Ricciardo on the podium as well. He is such a likeable character and really deserved it.

 

[Blackie]

I really wanted to see Ricciardo on the podium as well. He is such a likeable character and really deserved it.

Yea I was really willing him on! Don’t get me wrong I was happy for Albon, but wanted Riccardo to get a podium.

 

[sam_9n]

I was hoping Leclerc could hold third... high up optimism yes but would have been nice. They’ve 100% bethe team that’s just completely went backwards, seem to be the only team not progressing.

Kimi passing Romain, I was nervous for Kimi and surprise surprise a small collision.

That series of corners must just feel unreal to go through.

Was also willing Russell on too, I wish his last restart was better. Would have been great for him to get 10th place. Don’t think he’ll get points bar a miracle whilst being in the Williams.

 

[svensktoppen]

Another random race...

I see a lot of writing about how the rules of safety cars and red flags have gradually changed over the season to bring them out more often to try to neutralise the races.

These last couple of races have really brought that home.

It's how Nascar works - plenty of artificial stops for commercial breaks; effectively a series of short sprint races between yellow flags and restarts (with additional side betting); and trying to neutralise the races to force a last lap showdown.

But is that really what we want?

Yes, it's "exciting" in the sense that something happens...

But it's more casino than racing, might as well just roll a dice.

The reverse grid qualifying sprint is just another thing in the same direction. That's another thing the owners and Brawn seem hell bent to force in.

Might as well just roll the dice to determine the start order...

I guess it's easier than sorting out the aero that's causing the problem in the first place...

 

[big_pete]

How has Grojean still got a seat in F1, man is a danger

 

[Crow555]

As soon as I saw the first pile up at turn 2 on lap 1, I said to myself "Tch, Grosjean again.." but to be fair he was on the outside of the corner with no place to go. That being said, how he has a seat and drivers like Hulkenberg don't is criminal in my eyes. I understand why but I still don't like it.

As for the restart, there was a gap in the midfield which I think the first 2 or 3 cars closed up quickly before Bottas took off. The guys behind them took this to be the actual start and carnage ensued. That's my theory from the replay anyway. Nothing wrong with how Bottas handled the restart, he is the pace car effectively but I kept thinking to myself, he's leaving it pretty late to get going here.

 

[cauld1]

Made perfect sense for him to back it upas long as possible down the straight though to avoid cars behind getting a tow, which he was perfectly allowed to do. Giovinazzi caused that by taking a gamble Bottas had started sooner, others followed. In fairness to Sainz from his on board he could well have thought they were going again as cars in front were gunning it.

 

[svensktoppen]

I don't think it's anybody's fault but the race directors for deploying these dubious release rules just to manufacture artificial excitement.

Everybody did the only thing they could do and exactly what you would expect them to do throughout the field.

This is another thing that's happened to "increase excitement" - they've moved the release point after the safety car closer to the start line.

So instead of having a corner or two to try to get a jump on the field, the lead car can only slow down and leave it as late as possible before the start line. Otherwise the cars behind will drag past down the straight.

That's exactly what Bottas did, he had no other choice available.

That caused the concertina at the back. When a gap opened the cars at the back assumed that was it and away. The rest was inevitable.

Nascar style manufactured "excitement", that's where it's all heading.

 

[pablo]

well, it needs something

anyone else notice how strong DRS was on that track?

 

[ST Colin]

anyone else notice how strong DRS was on that track?

I think the headwind made it more pronounced. The car infront struggles, the hole in the air behind then really helps the DRS car behind. But yea, most were getting the move done before the braking into T1.

 

[DC.]

Even the way Hamilton got past Bottas at the second standing start without DRS showed how much of an impact punching that hole in the air made. Thought Bottas would return the favour at the 3rd restart but he got bad launch.

 

[Blackie]

As for the restart, there was a gap in the midfield which I think the first 2 or 3 cars closed up quickly before Bottas took off. The guys behind them took this to be the actual start and carnage ensued. That's my theory from the replay anyway. Nothing wrong with how Bottas handled the restart, he is the pace car effectively but I kept thinking to myself, he's leaving it pretty late to get going here.

Completely agree with this! The mid field cars as I said earlier gunned it before Bottas did! He was still warming up his tyres at the front by weaving as is his right to be!

 

[ST Colin]

I really thought he would have gone earlier, but was probably cautious of the slipstream from Hamilton behind. I know it was within the rules, but I'm not sure it was the best way to restart. Carnage behind though, was a right mess!

 

[svensktoppen]

If he had gone earlier he would have lost a handful places getting outdragged by the cars behind. He had no choice, it was the only thing he could do. Even as it was he lost one outright and nearly lost at least one more.

Same for the cars at the back. When the pack started to move in front they had to go, they had no other option. And the way these cars build speed the rest was completely inevitable.

And all because the release point from the safety car has been moved forward precisely to bunch everyone up and prevent a lead car from getting a jump on the field.

So here we are.

 

[DC.]

After all that yesterday there was talk about using rolling starts instead. Could be worth a try but no doubt someone will try to be clever and mess it all up.

I think it was made all the worse yesterday thanks to Mugello being a narrow track and also the fact that it’s hard for them to clear crashed cars from the circuit. One of the reasons why F1 is unlikely to return anytime soon.

 

[Paddy_R]

After all that yesterday there was talk about using rolling starts instead. Could be worth a try but no doubt someone will try to be clever and mess it all up.

It was the rolling start that had the proper incident on Sunday.