F1 2020

[DC.]

Mugello is similar to Suzuka so hopefully it produces similarly great races.

Pity Sochi was added today too.

 

[svensktoppen]

Sochi won't be any fun at all...

 

[Paddy_R]

Norris off to a bad start this weekend:

McLaren's Lando Norris handed grid penalty for FP1 yellow flag infraction | Formula 1®

He may have started last weekend’s Austrian Grand Prix from a career-best P3 – but there’ll be no chance for Lando Norris to repeat those heroics this weekend, as the stewards handed him a three-place grid drop for Sunday’s Styrian Grand Prix for overtaking under yellow flags during Free Practice 1.

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Ricardo also binned his Renault... Hard.

 

[weeloaney]

Quite clear he was in the wrong there. If the radio message are timed right in that video he has no excuse really.

Shame

 

[DC.]

 

[sam_9n]

Serious lap!

 

[Blackie]

Bloody hell thats impressive!!

 

[Robert]

Sainz in P3, hopefully McLaren are in the mix again tomorrow. What a lap by Lewis, masterclass in a wet fast lap. What is the deal with the Ferrari’s? It’s obviously more than just horsepower given their wet running performance.

 

[pablo]

They got caught cheating and now don’t have that advantage any more.
Imo

 

[Blackie]

They got caught cheating and now don’t have that advantage any more.
Imo

Has anyone any real info on this? Admittedly I haven’t gone looking, but the C4 F1 coverage suggested something about the engine not sitting in the correct position or something like that?

 

[DC.]

They weren’t actually caught doing anything wrong during a race but the FIA didn’t like what was going on with their engine/battery systems. They made changes to the engine hence the loss of speed.

“If nobody sees it it’s not illegal” type approach.

 

[Blackie]

They weren’t actually caught doing anything wrong during a race but the FIA didn’t like what was going on with their engine/battery systems. They made changes to the engine hence the loss of speed.

“If nobody sees it it’s not illegal” type approach.

Yea I did a little google there. Nothing much reported other than the FIA saying that they’re not entirely convinced that Ferrari were operating within the regs. However the also said they didn’t want it turning into a legal matter??

Some google results are suggesting that Ferrari found a way to cheat the fuel flow rate which in turn meant an increase in power.

 

[cauld1]

The making use of the grey area in the regs is exactly how the technology progresses.

The FIA have looked into how Ferrari have done things and don't like it, on to the next interpretation of the rules to get an advantage! Must've been giving amazing gains whatever they were doing as it is some lack of pace comparatively now.

A rules is rules approach stifles any sort of advancement to the detriment of any motorsport.

 

[Blackie]

The making use of the grey area in the regs is exactly how the technology progresses.

The FIA have looked into how Ferrari have done things and don't like it, on to the next interpretation of the rules to get an advantage! Must've been giving amazing gains whatever they were doing as it is some lack of pace comparatively now.

A rules is rules approach stifles any sort of advancement to the detriment of any motorsport.

To be fair I was surprised that the Merc’s steering device was ruled as legal! I half expected that to be ruled against and removed.

Although I think it’s evident from Ferrari’s lack Of qualifying pace, the effects their cheat was having previously.

 

[svensktoppen]

There was no grey area at all in what ferrari were doing last year. The device they had on the car was capable of bypassing the FIA device that's there to enforce the energy and fuel use regulations. That makes the Ferrari "invention" a circumvention device.

Which is legal speak for cheating.

They only "got off" on a technicality as it wasn't initially possible to prove in court that they actually used that circumvention device. They were technically only able to cheat but it wasn't initially possible to prove that they had cheated.

So in the last part of last year FIA made changes that prevented Ferrari from actually deploying their circumvention device undetected. After that their power advantage disappeared.

That in turn was enough for FIA to force Ferrari into a court settlement.

The settlement wasn't about whether Ferrari were cheating or not.

That was decided when the FIA made changes that prevented Ferrari from using their illegal circumvention device. And Ferrari's power advantage promptly disappeared.

The settlement was just about the consequences of that cheating for Ferrari.

It's unsatisfying that the consequences of cheating can be buried in a secret settlement, but hey, it is what it is...

 

[svensktoppen]

Last year they were able to use the power advantage to run a higher down force package. It was quite different from the aero strategy of most of the grid last year.

This year they've not only lost the "extra" power, but they're also unable to run that higher downforce package without the "extra" power. But they still showed up with essentially the same aero strategy this year as they did last year.

So that's a double hit.

 

[sam_9n]

More bad news for Ferrari lol

 

[svensktoppen]

Ouch... Didn't see that but hey.

How are the other ferrari powered cars doing?

Russell was running with the Ferraris yesterday in the Williams Heads will roll in Italy...

Actually looks like without the Ferrari cheat the second best engine on the grid might now be Honda. Now that's redemption!

Could be fantastic today with Lewis v Max in the wet

 

[gpaevo]

Rest assured most teams in the grid have some sort of 'cheat' on their cars due to their interpretation of the rulebook. They've simply not been caught yet.

 

[DC.]

We might get rain today at the GP. Heard someone comment over that DAS on the Mercedes could be help the drivers in these sort of conditions too.

What's the weather forecast for the Styrian Grand Prix in Austria? | Formula 1®

We're back at the Red Bull Ring for the second race of the 2020 season, this time for the Styrian Grand Prix. Different conditions face the drivers this time around - here's the full weather forecast for weekend.

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[sam_9n]

 

[Jrooney06]

Last year they were able to use the power advantage to run a higher down force package. It was quite different from the aero strategy of most of the grid last year.

This year they've not only lost the "extra" power, but they're also unable to run that higher downforce package without the "extra" power. But they still showed up with essentially the same aero strategy this year as they did last year.

So that's a double hit.

The extra power is only part of this years story. This year they tried to develop a ‘high downforce’ car. While they have done that they also created a high drag car. You can create a high downforce car but with a lower drag coefficient and they haven’t. Basically inefficient aero. McLaren did this a few years ago if I remember correctly. So I dont believe it’s purely lack of power that’s their problem.

Ferrari have been having problems internally for years though. Binotto made an ultimatum between him and Arrivebene. Arrivebene got sacked. Binotto didn’t agree the way the team was being managed so after Arrivebene left he completely changed the team structure. This was also shortly after James Allison had to leave due to his wife passing in 2016. Allison then moved to Mercedes circa 2017. Then Marchionne died which hit them hard. They continue to blame how their wind tunnel and track info aren’t correlating. They have been saying this for years. The Ferrari working culture also seems toxic imo. Also why have they got their team principal Binotto doing all the interviews and press while overseeing the technical side. Mercedes had/have Toto, Allison and Lauda. Red Bull has Horner, Newey and Helmut. Ferrari seems to only really have Binotto, in public view anyway. Even McLaren have Siedl, Zac and James Key.

 

[sam_9n]

Another excellent drive by Norris

 

[Dave..]

Another excellent drive by Norris

Awesome driving in the last lap.

 

[pablo]

All happened on the last lap lol.
Max put up a good fight on Bottas but was inevitable unfortunately. That little bit of damage nuked him.