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That's Brawn's old chestnut, he's been on about that for a while. It pops up every now and then and never gets anywhere.

It was supposed to be tried out end of last year, after the championships had been settled, but it never happened.

The big teams have not been keen on it so far.

Hard to see it working the way these cars can't actually race each other. It would be like the start of a normal GP, just a matter of who gets the best start and then it settles down pretty quickly.
 

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Be interesting to see who votes for/against the idea. Glad the reverse grid idea is dead in the water.
 

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BTCC use regulation cars and performance levellers to ensure no team runs away with it, and to guarantee it always comes down to the last race of the last weekend.

And only use reverse grid for the top few spots in the last sprint race in a three sprint race weekend.

Even BTCC don't use reverse grid in qualifying.

F1 is designed for long strategic races where the best (=fastest) team wins. If they wrap it up in half a season then so be it.

Clearly the new owners want to make F1 more like Nascar. Which is like BTCC, using artificial means to "level up" the racing. We saw it last year with frivolous use of safety cars and restarts, for example.

Clearly F1 needs to move on, it is becoming a bit of a dinosaur. But at the same time what makes F1 unique is that teams develop unique cars, and the team/driver doing the best job wins.

Turning it into Nascar just, well, just turns it into Nascar...
 

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Isn't this all a little pointless?

I mean, BTCC as Sven has said uses a number of measures like regulated engines, ballast, mixing up the grids based on the previous race etc. which provides some exciting racing.

How many times have we seen a RedBull or a Merc having to start from the back due to a penalty or some lap 1 incident only for them to end up P3 or better by the end of the race?

While the grids might mix up a bit through this process, I don't see the likes of Haas or Alfa getting more points than they do normally for example.
 

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Because they have used the current qualifying system for a long time people have come to think that its normal, but it's actually totally ridiculous.

Why would you give the fastest car an extra advantage.
Can you imagine before the 100m final at the Olympics, they inviting everyone down for a prerace-race. Then depending how they finish that race they start further down the track for the actual final. Usain Bolt starting with a 5m advantage.
 

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I've been saying it for years that they need to do away with blue flags that will liven up races a bit and nothing artificial about it. If you're fast enough to catch them you should be fast enough to pass them.
 

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Because they have used the current qualifying system for a long time people have come to think that its normal, but it's actually totally ridiculous.

Why would you give the fastest car an extra advantage.
Can you imagine before the 100m final at the Olympics, they inviting everyone down for a prerace-race. Then depending how they finish that race they start further down the track for the actual final. Usain Bolt starting with a 5m advantage.
Which (bringing in the 'frontrunner starting from the back' example from above) begs the question, why are we bothering with qualifying at all then? The mercs, redbull at one end, the Williams and the Haas cars at the other. Everything in the middle changes but overall, races are decided by the technical makeup of the cars, not so much qualifying.
 

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Suspected broken jaw for Fernando.

Pre-season testing starts 4 weeks tomorrow.
 

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So that means RB won't challenge for championships then. But really their only option, and they were never going to get their hands on Mercedes engines anyway.

I thought engines were changing too in 2022? Apparently not.
 

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I think it's great for RB. Not being in control of their own engine development has been their weak spot for some time now, they've cried for years about their engine suppliers so now they can get their heads down to see what they can do.
 

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They won't be in control of engine development though. They are only taking over the IP to support the existing engine, hence why they wanted a commitment to no engine development. Basically they have got themselves a manufacture license from Honda.

So they will race whatever engine they get this year from Honda, for the next five years.

It does make sense for RB to source their own engine. But actually developing their own is a huge commitment. Complexity, add cost caps on top, and very limited testing already.

They just have no chance of doing that on their own. None. Zero.
 

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You would think the engine freeze might have coaxed Honda into staying. With no engine development they could have keep their name in F1 for very little money.
 
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