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Tufty

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For Now here is a small glimpse of what's to come.

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Awesome mate, bet it feels great to finally have that job finished.

Yes man it feels so good to see the near done.

Tomorrow will see it finished for now. I then have to sit down and work out how we mount the rear axle as I sold the syncro rear end as I'm going full custom so the car will be back to get that end of things sorted then once I fit the engine in the car will be back down to get all the front part of the cage finished. This could all be done before dub shed so the car might make an appearance at it.
 

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Yes man it feels so good to see the near done.

Tomorrow will see it finished for now. I then have to sit down and work out how we mount the rear axle as I sold the syncro rear end as I'm going full custom so the car will be back to get that end of things sorted then once I fit the engine in the car will be back down to get all the front part of the cage finished. This could all be done before dub shed so the car might make an appearance at it.
At dub shed complete?

Even as a rolling shell with the engine (no wiring) would be cool to look at.
 

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With some luck the odd's won't be stacked against me on having it at least rolling for dubshed. I just need to stop spending money on the RS and focus on the Golf now.

I'm really liking the white with the orange they both compliment each other and also we done a trail fit of the Voomeran Archs.

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The white certainly works if you want the cage to be a feature (y) Black might be more subtle, and fit in with the carbon bits?

The orange does look great, stands out nicely.
 

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That cage looks dangerous to me. Is the whole point not that all the points meet at one place, for instance the crosses join to the hoop at one point and so do the front sections. That looks like all is mounted in different locations giving no strength in an accident. The door bars look particularly iffy along with the bar which runs inside the door bars. I'm assuming the fabricator is not an MSA/FIA manufacturer?
 

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You have a point @BBSBOY that`s why i also asked the question once Andrew from Momentum pointed it out. My guy not MSA/FIA Manufacturer he is just a Fabricator doing his thing for society.

The bars in question meet the desired specification below. I am inside the 100mm/10cm between the three bars.

1.3.4. Diagonal Members. At least one diagonal member must be fitted. Their location must be in accordance with drawings K5 or K6 and they must be straight. The combination of several diagonal members is permitted. Where two diagonals in the form of a cross are used, at least one of the diagonals must be a single piece tube. The attachment points of the diagonal members must be so located that they cannot cause injuries. They may be made removable but must be in place during events. The lower end of the diagonal must join the main rollbar or back-stay not further than 100mm from the mounting foot. The upper end must join the main rollbar not further than 100mm from the junction of the backstay joint, or the backstay not more than 100mm from its junction with the main rollbar. They must comply with the minimum specification set out in 1.4.1. A diagonal member fixed to the bodyshell must have reinforcement plates as defined in 1.3.3
 

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The rear tube coming down into the rear turret doesn't look like it has a reinforcement plate at all. The tube sits partially proud too by the looks of it.

If your happy with it though that's the main thing. I think I'd be a bit more cautious though. My car will be going to Stephen Wishart when I get the money together. But then it will be used on the track and the cage will likely be tested out.
 

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I take it this was going to be a road car anyway, and the cage mostly for style? Don't think MSA regulated racing and proper safety cells was ever on the cards?

Obviously a lot of things would have to be looked at if the latter was part of the plans, not just the cage.
 

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Looks great Tufty, getting some progress on!

On the cage, providing its made of good tubing it looks perfect for a fast road setup.gusseted to the frame and attached to key strength points on the car. There could be gussets welded on the inside of the turret for all i can see. think the rear cross brace is more a suspension stiffener (strut brace) more so than part of the cage But in any sort of accident that would cause those tubes to be coming out of or ripped off would be sever to say the least.

The work looks tidy, can i come over for a nose soon?? :p

-Ged
 

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For style or not, a cage is a massive inconvenience day to day, that can only really be outweighed by the safety aspect.

I thought the rear suspension mounts had been replaced entirely for mounting the cage, if not, I'd be a bit wary of the way it's been mounted too. Big hit up the backside and those bars will just pierce through. Door bars also, I'd have recommended NASCAR style ones for space (you're a baste) and safety. They look good too.

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It's a bit of a stinker after all this time and money, but if it's being done, it worth being done right. Especially with talk of ~1000 bhp.

My advice, listen to @Andrew M. If the whole thing needs to come out, do it.
 

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It might have been better to have the rear suspension fabricated first and then link the cage into it.
 

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The plan from the out set was to build a fast road car no real plan`s to track it. Then i started looking at cages for my own safety as i did see myself going down the road some night on my roof. I never once looked at a MSA/FIA approved cages as it wasnt something i had given much thought to be honest.

@Ged that rear bar is acting as strut brace. Your more than welcome to have a look round but the car is based in bangor for the next week or more Im heading down on Wednesday.
@Richy the rear strut towers have been strengthened to cope the cage. I have no plans on ripping it out as yet.

The cage is not finished yet as there still is the harness bar to go in and the rear subframe to be made and bolted to the cage.
 

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The rear tube coming down into the rear turret doesn't look like it has a reinforcement plate at all. The tube sits partially proud too by the looks of it.

If your happy with it though that's the main thing. I think I'd be a bit more cautious though. My car will be going to Stephen Wishart when I get the money together. But then it will be used on the track and the cage will likely be tested out.
There's not a square plate on the turret like most do there's a plate wrapped round the turret. The rear strut brace bit is welded to it, look just below that and you'll see the ring of weld holding the plate on and below that you see the factory turret plate poking out.
 

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The plan from the out set was to build a fast road car no real plan`s to track it. Then i started looking at cages for my own safety as i did see myself going down the road some night on my roof. I never once looked at a MSA/FIA approved cages as it wasnt something i had given much thought to be honest.

@Ged that rear bar is acting as strut brace. Your more than welcome to have a look round but the car is based in bangor for the next week or more Im heading down on Wednesday.
@Richy the rear strut towers have been strengthened to cope the cage. I have no plans on ripping it out as yet.

The cage is not finished yet as there still is the harness bar to go in and the rear subframe to be made and bolted to the cage.

I like Escort Cosworth group a/wrc cages, the rear sub frames bolts to it.

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I think you'll definitely want to use this on track, its the only place you can properly use the power, I struggle to use my car with a power to weight ratio of 430hp per ton on the road, you gain speed so fast. For sure You'll want to track it occasionally so you can use the full power/speed without the need to worry about your licence.


Considering a half cage in mine to stiffen the chassis and give me a bit more protection.
 

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@weeloaney I like that design of the Escort as well thats something along the lines of what i was looking to do. If all goes well tomorrow and everything falls into place im due to have the car back at mine this weekend so I can then start looking at the rear subframe to see what can be done.. I then have a task of finding the right seat to fill the tight space in the car.

So my plans are as follows.

Tomorrow
Fit Subframe/Wishbones
Fit Engine and New Turbo to make sure there is enough clearance at the bulk head
Fit Exhaust as it`s one part that doesnt need to come back out
Fit standard Gti Axle to allow me to move the car
Bolt wheels on and also get brackets made for the Calipers


Once all the above is done and dusted I will hopefully have some seats then it will be back to Stevie to finish off the cage and possible subframe then back home again and off to get soda blasted and finally paint I think im going to run with the cage being white as i think it works well with the orange but i also have been thinking of maybe getting it carbon skinned I am open for Idea`s as well..

@EF Ian with my cage not being MSA approved will i be allowed to track it I know this might be a stupid question but ive never looked into track days before. I would love to give it a blast round Mondello.
 

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You will be fine for normal trackdays, like at Mondello, or with Trackskills at Kirkistown. As long as you have a valid MoT then that is all you need to work away.

Very different on the car than road driving though. You will find out very quickly what works and what does not. But that is kind of the point as well - take it out, see how it goes, and then improve the things that actually matter. Instead of trying to "get everything right" before and spending money on things that maybe don't actually matter, while missing wee details that actually do matter.

Not sure about drift days, don't do them myself, only do the circuit driving events. But imagine it would be the same for "trackday" style drift events.

If you wanted to do actual MSA regulated racing/competition then it is different. But then you would need to look at a lot more than just the cage - the whole safety cell; fire suppression; approved and up to date belts/seats/helmet/etc.; timing stuff; the list goes on. And it all depends on what kind of racing you would actually do as well, what class you would want to enter (your choice of power and drivetrain would pretty much put you in the open/unlimited classes). And so on.
 

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I did a track day at Mondello in my MX5 without a cage, just a helmet and had to keep the roof up :p

For bucket seats I wouldn't look past the old Corbeaus I had in my A3. Super comfy, lightweight fiberglass fixed back bucket seats and not expensive. They don't come FIA certified and that's what makes them cheap :laughing:
 
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