I would assume they'd always hunt for them as most people tend to lock the car, if you're in it then you've either got the keys or picked the lock.
Solicitor recommendation....drunk and in charge of a vechicle.
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I would assume they'd always hunt for them as most people tend to lock the car, if you're in it then you've either got the keys or picked the lock.
NeilMcG
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Happy to have a chat with your friend @mayweather , ask him to just give the office a call on 0281817715, Thanks.
is there a "9" missing from that number Neil?
NeilMcG
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Yes apologies- 02891 817715.
G N K
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Strange how the internet works - ask for a recommendation, and get a load of irrelevant answers and some judgments......
Was thinking the exact same thing.
we may be at opposite ends of the deviant scale, but we have some common ground Gav! I hope one is well.
Del
p.s. - i'm not being judgy, merely acting on evidence
mightymetro
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So what is the craic with this - if you kick back to sleep it off in the car, are you OK if the keys are in the car but not on you, or if you're not in the drivers seat? Genuinely wasn't aware you could be done DIC for sleeping with keys in the drivers seat...can see it from the policy p.o.v. also though.
Woodcutter
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What a nightmare, can't help but feel sorry for the fella, he was only trying to do the right thing!
gpaevo
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You cannot have the keys on your possession or anywhere near the vehicle.
stevieturbo
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But the bottom line was, he was not driving, he was not attempting to drive. Nor was he showing any intent to drive in that state. So he's getting charged for doing no harm and whilst the cops are dealing with that, there are likely people out there actually causing harm.
People should be charged for actions taken, not something they might do...or worse, that some cop, thinks they might do, but in all honestly know they probably wont.
And as for the morning after, if they drive the morning after and are unfit, nail them then. Just as they should nail all unfit drivers, sober and on drugs.
gcon45
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Yeah it's all a bit Minority report-esque.
Rocko
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That's why he's getting charged with Drunk In Charge and not Drink Driving.
Like Rocko says, he's not being done for drunk driving.
I dunno, some of the reactions in this thread surprise me because they're taking a very one-sided viewpoint about the whole drunk-in-charge thing - i.e. "Well, I know I'm only going for a sleep so it's very unfair that that I should be arrested!!!"
How does a cop know that? How does he know the guy in the driver's seat isn't going to drive it in 5 mins, or an hour, or 5 hours? How does he tell the family of someone killed by a drink driver that they thought he was just having a snooze so left him in the driver's seat with the keys?
I don't for one minute think they should be as strict as to pull keys off everybody who's had a beer and has a set of car keys in their pocket. But when someone is 90% of the way there - inebriated, in the driver's seat, keys in their possession - the police are justified in taking action IMO. Whether you intend to drive or not is irrelevant by that stage, drunk people are prone to erratic and misjudged behaviour so they can't predict their own behaviour and neither can anyone else.
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Do you feel the same for going equipped for theft?
andy9eleven
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I’ve been drunk in charge of a knife before, but only a lime died. And it was in my home, not in a public place.
Still, I didn’t have any intent to stab anyone.
Still, I didn’t have any intent to stab anyone.
andy9eleven
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Well it’s been law since 1920s and maybe back then the friendly sargaent might have taken you back, but those days are long gone I would have thought.
Rocko
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As above, he wasn't charged with Drunk driving. He was charged with Drunk In Charge, and he was. Hopefully he can make the case that his livelihood is goosed without a van and he won't get a ban.
gcon45
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It’s ironic that the people who sleep in the vehicle rather than drive it home are the ones more likely to be prosecuted than the ones who say “f**k it” and drive home anyway.
Doesn’t really send out the right message.
Of course, it’s idiotic not to arrange backup transport when you’re out on the soup but someone who is asleep in their vehicle obviously knows and respects the danger of drink driving otherwise they would be away down the road rather than taking shelter in their vehicle.
Doesn’t really send out the right message.
Of course, it’s idiotic not to arrange backup transport when you’re out on the soup but someone who is asleep in their vehicle obviously knows and respects the danger of drink driving otherwise they would be away down the road rather than taking shelter in their vehicle.
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Few mates of mine stopped off at a Chinese one night, one of them was lying in a coma on the back seat, so they left the car running as it was just parked at the door. Police arrived, looked at car, mates seen them on walkie talkies but thought nothing off it. Next thing a van arrived, and they lifted the unconcious fella out, and charged him with DIC. No amount of explaining from fellas that were in the Chinese would change their mind, was a very unfair one I thought.
If only they hadn't committed the first offence
the cops wouldn't have been handed an easy DICWhat was that, the driver was sober, just not in the car.If only they hadn't committed the first offence
Although on the other hand i did see the consequences of a drunk rear seat passenger one night at a 24 hour petrol station.
Again driver got out and left keys in ignition, and one fella on phone left in the back seat. When he came off i saw him leaning over the front seats, and reaching in to start the car, which had been left in gear. Car started, and took off, demolishing a petrol pump en route! Would have been a fun one to explain.