List of cars that went down on the ship on fire, Felicity Ace

[MarkM]

These Are All The Cars That Sank On The Felicity Ace

Sure, hundreds of Bentleys and Porsches died, but what about that 1996 Prelude?

jalopnik.com

 

[Boydie]

Sickening - brand new cars can be replaced for new owners but its the older cars that must have meant something to the owners that cannot be replaced

 

[A.M.Q.R.]

Same again this time. Very sad to hear about a crew member loosing his life.

Think the EV's are a bit of a game changer for sea travel. Thinking of the possible greater hazards of one catching fire on our domestic roll on, roll off vessels (with more people on board) after being driven a considerable distance and arriving aboard fairly warm.

 

[ilovequo]

How hilarious would it be if EVs were banned from ferry crossings

 

[gpaevo]

How hilarious would it be if EVs were banned from ferry crossings

Ferry companies and UKFRS are in discussions along with Health & Safety etc at the moment to find a solution.

Being parked on outside decks in the interim period is a proposal, so they can be pushed over the back into the sea, car fire blankets (which don't work) are going to be carried on ferry's in an attempt to prevent escalation but would only make a difference if the fire occurred when the ship was minutes away from docking.

Nobody has the answer but as we've seen, one EV fire can sink a ship.

 

[Apis]

Same again this time. Very sad to hear about a crew member loosing his life.

Think the EV's are a bit of a game changer for sea travel. Thinking of the possible greater hazards of one catching fire on our domestic roll on, roll off vessels (with more people on board) after being driven a considerable distance and arriving aboard fairly warm.

Irish Ferries, Dublin-Holyhead even have EV chargers on board, no doubt other operators too.

 

[AidanMcG]

How hilarious would it be if EVs were banned from ferry crossings

A ferry company in one of the Scandinavian countries already has, as far as I remember

 

[purplea4T]

Ferry companies and UKFRS are in discussions along with Health & Safety etc at the moment to find a solution.

Being parked on outside decks in the interim period is a proposal, so they can be pushed over the back into the sea, car fire blankets (which don't work) are going to be carried on ferry's in an attempt to prevent escalation but would only make a difference if the fire occurred when the ship was minutes away from docking.

Nobody has the answer but as we've seen, one EV fire can sink a ship.

How many EV fires not caused by external factors have you attended?

 

[gpaevo]

How many EV fires not caused by external factors have you attended?

I've only been to a small number so far. All where thermal runaway with no external factor.

My biggest fear would be battery compromisation due to damage in an RTC causing thermal runaway. Literally seconds and the occupants would have no chance of survival.

This is the perfect example of Thermal Runaway. 1m18 secs onwards. Those flames are over 1000 degrees C, white vapour is a toxic vapour cloud with heavy metal nanoparticles which if inhaled will kill you.

 

[gpaevo]

Irish Ferries, Dublin-Holyhead even have EV chargers on board, no doubt other operators too.

That's just complete stupidly if you ask me.

Also, they mustn't be very fast chargers, the ships generators can only produce so much power. Wonder if they are simply there in case someone arrives with zero miles and they need to charge it enough to get them off the at the other side

 

[andy9eleven]

Wouldn't be ideal on the tunnel either.

 

[RCT]

I know with our insurance company we cannot charge customers or any of our own cars overnight inside the car dealerships building unattended. It has to be during day only. Outside is fine anytime but inside no.

Just seen this as well, so the hauliers have to be careful what they are pulling. Common sense most of it, but I don’t know how some are supposed to deal with certain issues. I believe that Renault have to take some cars back to a main location in Uk to fully discharge/replace batteries, but that may have changed now and done at the dealerships.

 

[gary1365]

Will thermal runaway continue even with the absence of oxygen. Is it combustion or a chemical reaction. Just curious if you could park all electric cars in a special chamber on a ferry you could flood with CO2 or argon or similar.

@gpaevo

 

[RWL]

How hilarious would it be if EVs were banned from ferry crossings

And multi storey car parks

 

[RCT]

@RWL It’s actually a concern for some of the multi story car parks, but more so for the weight of them!

 

[RWL]

@RWL It’s actually a concern for some of the multi story car parks, but more so for the weight of them!

Yes, had thought that too for modern cars generally - there’s bound to be lots of multi storey car parks groaning under the weight of modern cars with tolerances they were built and designed to likely inadequate for what they are being asked to deal with now!

 

[gpaevo]

Will thermal runaway continue even with the absence of oxygen. Is it combustion or a chemical reaction. Just curious if you could park all electric cars in a special chamber on a ferry you could flood with CO2 or argon or similar.

@gpaevo

Chemical reaction that can start again weeks after being put out, as the cells continue to breakdown. It creates it's own oxygen as far as I am aware, hence car blankets etc don't work.

 

[Turks]

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How hilarious would it be if EVs were banned from ferry crossings

As already mentioned, I did read of some ferry companies that had already banned ev cars.

 

[gary1365]

Chemical reaction that can start again weeks after being put out, as the cells continue to breakdown. It creates it's own oxygen as far as I am aware, hence car blankets etc don't work.

What a nightmare.

Open car decks and a forklift it is then

 

[Davytog]

My understnding is that the basis of such runaways involve several highly exothermic chemical reactions that generate massive energy release in the form of heat. Such chemical reactions are not dependent on Oxygen being present but as gpaevo says they can cause reduction reactions of other substances in the battery which is the release of Oxygen. Its seems a lot of research papers have been published but I didnt see any that had a firm solution. This has to be a major issue for EV,s going forward

 

[swansty]

That's just complete stupidly if you ask me.

Also, they mustn't be very fast chargers, the ships generators can only produce so much power. Wonder if they are simply there in case someone arrives with zero miles and they need to charge it enough to get them off the at the other side

You can book an ev charging space on the Irish ferries Dublin to Cherbourg route so I assume it’s the same on other routes.

 

[gpaevo]

You can book an ev charging space on the Irish ferries Dublin to Cherbourg route so I assume it’s the same on other routes.

Until there is a clear definitive way to put a battery fire out in a very short space of time, I personally think charging EV's on a ship is bonkers.

 

[Graham2]

There are a lot of different types of lithium ion battery, the most common currently is NMC which is comprised of heavy metals and has a higher risk of thermal runaway. But there is already much safer battery technology in the market, the BYD Blade battery is considered the market leader and the only one to pass the nail penetration test. These batteries are already in cars which are now driving around Ireland. Some Tesla's shipped out of Giga Berlin have this BYD battery also. So these safety issues are only a short term problem, albeit in a few million cars already manufactured!

 

[Ghisallo]

I've only been to a small number so far. All where thermal runaway with no external factor.

My biggest fear would be battery compromisation due to damage in an RTC causing thermal runaway. Literally seconds and the occupants would have no chance of survival.

This is the perfect example of Thermal Runaway. 1m18 secs onwards. Those flames are over 1000 degrees C, white vapour is a toxic vapour cloud with heavy metal nanoparticles which if inhaled will kill you.

Wonder if the car was making those silly fart noises Tesla’s can fo as it was just about to combust

 

[Boydie]

How hilarious would it be if EVs were banned from ferry crossings

When I worked at Wrightbus, when transporting the hydrogen buses over to the mainland, they had to be completely purged, no charge, on the back of a low loader and on the outside deck

Just a FYI