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Marek11

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I have a diesel Hyundai Santa Fe. I’m getting a smell of gas in the cabin. The best way I can describe the smell is like the smell of domestic gas / bottled gas, or maybe slightly like sulfur. The smell does not come from the exhaust tail pipe, its seems to occur in the engine compartment and gets into the cabin. I don’t smell it when driving fast, presumably because it blows away. The smell occurs when the engine is at operating temperature and I’m moving slowly in traffic. It comes in puffs, it’s not constant. I have taken the car to 4 garages (2 of which were Hyundai service centres) and no one can suggest what is causing the smell. All pipes and emissions have supposedly been tested and are apparently all fine. 4 garages have said everything looks fine.

I have searched the internet and established that the smell is possibly coming from a faulty battery. I have now replaced the battery with a new one yet the smell persists. I’ve also read that it could be the catalytic converter, but I believe typically the smell of egg would come from the exhaust pipe. This smell isn’t coming from the exhaust pipe. The car is not losing power it runs perfectly

I have had the air conditioning checked and cleaned and filters replaced. This has made no difference. Also, when I put the internal circulation on the smell goes away.

Hyundai UK suggested that it could be a fault with the diesel particulate filter which may be regenerating on every journey, but they have said this is unlikely. The car typically does long journeys and the smell first started when I drove the car to Spain. Which means it got a good 1000 mile trip each way. I had wondered if it was bad diesel that I may have put in on the way, but this was back in July and the smell hasn’t subsided. I have added Diesel Particulate Filter cleaner, which made no difference.

Because the car is an all wheel drive (AWD) Hyundai also suggested that it could be the smell of a burning differential clutch because I put new tyres on the front 6mm tread without replacing the rear tyres which had 3mm tread. I now have 4 new tyres which hasn’t fixed the problem.

I have also had the brakes checked in case the smell is due to them rubbing, but they are fine.

Do you have any idea what could be causing smell?

Thanks!
 

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Pollen filter, alternator over charging?
Not the pollen filter because I replaced that and I replaced the battery. However its a good point maybe the alternator is overcharging because when I put the new battery in the smell seemed to get stronger. How would I check this?
 

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Where is the battery? Is it properly vented?
The battery is under the hood front left. It has always been there the car is 7 years old. I don't think the venting has changed.
 

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Cracked intake manifold maybe?
Thanks - I'll look into that. I assumed one of the 4 garages might have seen that but possibly not. Do yo think this would cause such a smell?
 

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Recycled oil and fuel vapour could be leaking out if it was, I'm no spanner monkey though.
There is nothing obvious and 4 garages checked it with diagnostic tests. I have also looked for signs of leaks
 

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Hi has anyone checked the injectors for seal leaking (spray a bit of soapy water around them)? They may not be bad enough for them to be presenting visually but there could be small amount of combustion gas/unburnt diesel entering the cabin.
 

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…also as above check the alternator output - my Van put out 17v recently without warning and boiled a battery very quickly.
 

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Hi has anyone checked the injectors for seal leaking (spray a bit of soapy water around them)? They may not be bad enough for them to be presenting visually but there could be small amount of combustion gas/unburnt diesel entering the cabin.

The garage claimed that this was all checked but that doesn't mean it was checked properly. Visually the injectors look fine. I will try what you suggest - thanks!
 

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…also as above check the alternator output - my Van put out 17v recently without warning and boiled a battery very quickly.
How do you check this? Voltmeter on the battery terminals when the engine is running? Or do you need something more sophisticated? Thanks
 

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How do you check this? Voltmeter on the battery terminals when the engine is running? Or do you need something more sophisticated? Thanks

Yes, simple voltmeter would be fine...perhaps ideally when the smell has been most apparent.

Without actually smelling it, very hard to suggest things. Did the garages you went to actually smell the same thing as you have ? Does it occur often enough that it should be traceable ?

And just because you say it isnt coming from the exhaust, doesnt mean it isnt. If it's occurring inside the engine, the only place it can get out is the exhaust.

An overcharging battery would stink for sure though.

As you say it's a diesel, dont think they do the rotten egg catalytic converter thing as a petrol engine might.

Although depending on injector type, leaky injector seals and issues around that could potentially create smells that would emanate from the engine compartment.
Or possibly a very small diesel leak can sometimes smell quite strange.

Has something got trapped in and around the engine compartment or ventilation system and died ?
 

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Yes, simple voltmeter would be fine...perhaps ideally when the smell has been most apparent.

Without actually smelling it, very hard to suggest things. Did the garages you went to actually smell the same thing as you have ? Does it occur often enough that it should be traceable ?

And just because you say it isnt coming from the exhaust, doesnt mean it isnt. If it's occurring inside the engine, the only place it can get out is the exhaust.

An overcharging battery would stink for sure though.

As you say it's a diesel, dont think they do the rotten egg catalytic converter thing as a petrol engine might.

Although depending on injector type, leaky injector seals and issues around that could potentially create smells that would emanate from the engine compartment.
Or possibly a very small diesel leak can sometimes smell quite strange.

Has something got trapped in and around the engine compartment or ventilation system and died ?

The smell is intermittent but it can be reproduced - typically it occurs 15 minutes into a journey. The garages did smell it - two exhaust pipe centers and two Hyundai specialists. All said the catalytic converter is fine and no problems with exhaust pipe or fuel tubes

The smell very definitely comes from the engine compartment and not the exhaust. I know this because I've noticed the smell when driving and stopped the car and got out and sniffed the engine and the exhaust with the engine running (obviously not breathing in too much).

I'm not sure if a diesel catalytic converter would make the smell or not.

I'm starting to think it may be an overcharging issue, like you suggest, because the one strange thing that happened is that the smell seemed to get stronger after replacing the battery earlier today. This could imply that the new battery was getting overcharged and producing a stronger smell.

I'll check the charging first thing tomorrow and report back.

The responses here have been very helpful.

Thanks.
 

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If the car has stop/start and you replaced the battery you'll need to reset the car to allow for this. If not it will be overcharging the new battery for sure
 

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If the car has stop/start and you replaced the battery you'll need to reset the car to allow for this. If not it will be overcharging the new battery for sure
Sorry - can you explain what you mean by "if the car has stop/start"?

Its ok I found what it means. My car doesn't have stop / start. Why would that cause overcharging if I replaced the battery and had stop/start?

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Sorry - can you explain what you mean by "if the car has stop/start"?

When you pull up at traffic lights and take your foot off the clutch, does the engine cut out and restart when you depress the clutch?
 
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