The Land Rover/ Range Rover appreciation thread

[Michael M]

Hope you get sorted Colin. At least you got the MOT.

 

[collyirwin11]

I’m sure it’s been checked but have the earth points all been checked? Have you got a proper fault code reader for it? I have the iid and it’s been very useful such as coming home from Galway with the caravan and went into limp mode. Cleared an injector fault and away she went and it’s never happened again. At least when the fault happened you could interrogate for codes

I’ve had one replaced/upgraded by BLRC, but no others have been replaced/checked to my knowledge. As for fault reader, I do have one of the icarsoft readers, and tried it before when it was dead, and was returning “no signal” faults from keyless module and hvac, and medium can-bus errors. I told this to BLRC and they said they have about 5 modules all talking, and if one fails, it’ll likely shut down the rest. Then LR did say it had stored a medium speed can errors, and as part of their investigation they found the 2 wires. I am paraphrasing a lot, as it would take me all day to explain, and as I mentioned above, I cant fault either BLRC and LR in my experience, it just seems to be a headache to find. I think next step will be a full wiring harness inspection read online about wires behind the dash being the problem but to find and diagnose its the full strip down etc so it’ll no doubt be a fun/expensive repair.

 

[Jbridges522]

I’ve had one replaced/upgraded by BLRC, but no others have been replaced/checked to my knowledge. As for fault reader, I do have one of the icarsoft readers, and tried it before when it was dead, and was returning “no signal” faults from keyless module and hvac, and medium can-bus errors. I told this to BLRC and they said they have about 5 modules all talking, and if one fails, it’ll likely shut down the rest. Then LR did say it had stored a medium speed can errors, and as part of their investigation they found the 2 wires. I am paraphrasing a lot, as it would take me all day to explain, and as I mentioned above, I cant fault either BLRC and LR in my experience, it just seems to be a headache to find. I think next step will be a full wiring harness inspection read online about wires behind the dash being the problem but to find and diagnose its the full strip down etc so it’ll no doubt be a fun/expensive repair.

Probably the worst possible issue a car can have, time and effort is likely all can solve it as you say. Could be an expensive task if someone is charging by the hour.

 

[collyirwin11]

Probably the worst possible issue a car can have, time and effort is likely all can solve it as you say. Could be an expensive task if someone is charging by the hour.

You’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s so frustrating as it’s entirely unpredictable. When it’s driving, it drives great, and had it been mechanical, it would have been fixed back in Feb and we’d have moved on.

Anyway, nothing more I can do, electrics are far beyond my remit, so it’ll have to be done by someone else properly, and hopefully, finally, fixed for good.

P.s. anyone want to buy a gorgeous Loire Blue Disco 4, full yrs MOT strictly no test drives unless its the third Wednesday of the month and a full moon.

 

[swansty]

I’ve had one replaced/upgraded by BLRC, but no others have been replaced/checked to my knowledge. As for fault reader, I do have one of the icarsoft readers, and tried it before when it was dead, and was returning “no signal” faults from keyless module and hvac, and medium can-bus errors. I told this to BLRC and they said they have about 5 modules all talking, and if one fails, it’ll likely shut down the rest. Then LR did say it had stored a medium speed can errors, and as part of their investigation they found the 2 wires. I am paraphrasing a lot, as it would take me all day to explain, and as I mentioned above, I cant fault either BLRC and LR in my experience, it just seems to be a headache to find. I think next step will be a full wiring harness inspection read online about wires behind the dash being the problem but to find and diagnose its the full strip down etc so it’ll no doubt be a fun/expensive repair.

Agree with getting a host of errors, many of which are red herrings and due to the failed part rather than failing themselves.

 

[Michael M]

Take it you’ve Webuyanycar’d it out of interest?

 

[collyirwin11]

Take it you’ve Webuyanycar’d it out of interest?

I did way back in Feb just out of curiosity, but the value has fallen out of them with insurance prices, thefts etc, so you can imagine what they offered. I am keen to get it fixed and as @Jbridges522 said, it has to be one of the worst single problems.

 

[Jbridges522]

Would you be game to just start looking at every wire in the car you can find yourself? Could also start with the basics and clean up every earth you can find.

 

[svensktoppen]

You or someone else could spend ages randomly pulling at plugs and wires. Might get lucky, might not... The right test equipment helps but it's still not easy. Sounds like maybe some modules need to be checked too?

Unless it's under warranty, then either pay someone to do it, or leave it with WBAC and hope it runs when you bring it over... Either way will mean taking a hit, but at least one way you are not left with an open ended problem...

 

[Cro]

Does cheap and reliable tow car exist in any of the LR range? Some of the models are much cheaper than I thought they’d be in the sub 8-10k range. Even sub 5k took me by surprise a little

 

[Steve750]

Does cheap and reliable tow car exist in any of the LR range?

No

 

[Jbridges522]

Does cheap and reliable tow car exist in any of the LR range? Some of the models are much cheaper than I thought they’d be in the sub 8-10k range. Even sub 5k took me by surprise a little

L322’s despite what people say are generally reliable and bar potential engine failures (lol) so are disco’s when looked after the trouble is just getting one that has been, but freelanders of all varieties are genuinely reliable, nice well spec’d freelander 2 is a cheap nice car.

 

[_Mackers_]

Freelander 2 hands down, great tow car. SD4 auto would be my choice.

 

[Nicky]

Freelander 2 hands down, great tow car. SD4 auto would be my choice.

An average car and transporter would put a Freelander 2 well over its towing limit of 2ton, which is the same as an E39 BMW which would be much comfier, a hell of a lot easier run/maintained and a nicer thing to drive.

I had a year old Freelander 2, and although it was decent, it hadn’t a patch on the cheap L322 TD6 I had, in any shape or form. It was the best £1600 I ever spent, and it got a horrible time. It regularly got tasked with towing and pulling a lot more than the 3.5ton it was rated to tow, and done so effortlessly.

An alternative to a Range Rover would be a late E53 X5 which has the same great 3.0d engine, though the later models were fitted with a much better ZF 6 speed auto box than the 5 speed GM box which was fitted to the RR of the same years. Coil spring conversion in the rear, and aside from BMW gremlins like crap headlights, blower motors and window mechanisms, there’s little to worry about, and they’ll legally pull 2.7ton.

 

[Jbridges522]

Assuming the x5 has the bmw transfer box, speed sensor driven 4x4 etc it would put me off tbh, an l322 is the best car in the world for me, but lots of dogs about.

 

[FM155]

FL2's tow pretty well tbh, granted the most I was towing were sub 1300kg cars but would have been pretty close to it's weight but did grand on both these which were 400 odd mile excursions.

 

[_Mackers_]

An average car and transporter would put a Freelander 2 well over its towing limit of 2ton, which is the same as an E39 BMW which would be much comfier, a hell of a lot easier run/maintained and a nicer thing to drive.

I had a year old Freelander 2, and although it was decent, it hadn’t a patch on the cheap L322 TD6 I had, in any shape or form. It was the best £1600 I ever spent, and it got a horrible time. It regularly got tasked with towing and pulling a lot more than the 3.5ton it was rated to tow, and done so effortlessly.

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An alternative to a Range Rover would be a late E53 X5 which has the same great 3.0d engine, though the later models were fitted with a much better ZF 6 speed auto box than the 5 speed GM box which was fitted to the RR of the same years. Coil spring conversion in the rear, and aside from BMW gremlins like crap headlights, blower motors and window mechanisms, there’s little to worry about, and they’ll legally pull 2.7ton.

Trailer with I'm guessing it's going to be the mega busa on it would be grand for the FL2. Easier on the fuel to I'd say. Mine was only the 160hp one and it pulled everything I threw at it like a dream.

 

[Nicky]

Trailer with I'm guessing it's going to be the mega busa on it would be grand for the FL2. Easier on the fuel to I'd say. Mine was only the 160hp one and it pulled everything I threw at it like a dream.

For all the weight of the trailer and Mega Busa, an estate car would provide the same or more luggage space and be even easier run in every aspect (fuel, tyres, maintenance etc).

Hard to beat the raised ride height of an SUV/4x4 though when you’re used to it. I know I’d struggle to go back to a car now, but I need more towing capacity than a car would offer, and often end up in guttery fields and sites, so just suffer the higher running costs.

 

[FM155]

Trailer with I'm guessing it's going to be the mega busa on it would be grand for the FL2. Easier on the fuel to I'd say. Mine was only the 160hp one and it pulled everything I threw at it like a dream.

Same here, mine has a huge range (68L tank), even when it's towing. Does around 35 on local stuff and mid 40's on long runs. I went over via Cairnryan and down to Ansty outside Coventry with the 155 on the back and got pretty close to 550 miles on a full tank so it was doing over 40mpg while towing.

 

[Ged]

Well with the block at the machine shop getting a new crank mains rods piston rings and bolts.

I started stripping the heads to clean the carbon lap valves replace stem seals and rebuild.

When we got the block I took into fitting the new oil pump heads cams etc.

Currently stalled waiting on tappets as I found a couple to be more solid than I would have liked,

Hopefully they will turn up this week and I can get it back into the chassis.

-Ged

 

[Ged]

Big weekend she's almost there.

Engine completely built with new tappets cam chains and tensioners. New egr pipes injectors and seals

Refitted and mated to the gearbox Torque converter bolts where interesting..

special body alignment tool 00001

Ready to drop

Down and start refitting 1000 things

buttoning up adding fluids now this week

Big job but hoping that is alot of things sorted on her for another while

 

[Ged]

Well shes back, got a wee test drive to collect the chinese tonight. Still to sort a few things but she seems happy enough. New egr pipes are making a decent stink and smoke as well as all the oil and residue on all the manifolds and turbos but she seems happy.




needs the alignment done and waiting on my refurbed alloys to come back to make the TPMS happy. Then a decent valet and clean and I think im going to put some decent tyres on maybe some All terrains and a few other bits now ive already financially ruined myself.

 

[big_pete]

@Ged would you take on a sport that needs an engine or something along those lines sorted?

It’s my late wife’s car and has huge sentimental value and no one will take it on? No time frame to sort it just needs sorted?

 

[Bryan]

The L322 is some machine. The Explorer broke down just before Jonesborough and the Range Rover had to tow this combination for about 20 miles. The previous day the Wrangler's alternator seized up and threw the belt off otherwise we could have just swapped them round.

 

[Ged]

@Ged would you take on a sport that needs an engine or something along those lines sorted?

It’s my late wife’s car and has huge sentimental value and no one will take it on? No time frame to sort it just needs sorted?

Sent you a PM happy to help were I can.