andy_gdon
RMS Regular
haha. I've never heard a good word said about the guy... Not a big fan of him myself.
Well I don't know the guy but I do remember all the chat about him not so long ago.
haha. I've never heard a good word said about the guy... Not a big fan of him myself.
I recently did a B16B and full DC2 underpinnings into an EG, and from a business perspective, it just flat out wasnt worth doing.
We basically reshelled the car, and with the sheer volume of small niggly bits that were either hard to obtain or expensive and beyond the budget meant that hours just got eaten up and dissappear.
If i had to spend 5 hours sourcing parts for your car instead of working on it, I would feel bad about charging you those 5 hours, but we would have to do it, otherwise you simply wont be in business very long.
Unfortunately people over here dont want to spend thousands putting something of little value into a car of little value. It's not econimically viable to do so, hence people take it on themselves as there is nothing cheaper than your own free time.
SSI are top blokes, sorted out my mates skyline a few times after ECc wrecked it, also worked on my supra and they really know what they are talking about
Also I have never ever heard a bad word said about AI, never used them myself but their reputation alone speaks for itself
Most trades though offer estimates rather than fixed prices, so whats the problem? I know from a detailing perspective customers will agree on something and I quote a price for it, then when you get the car in they ask could you do this and this etc when you have it, yet expect that to be included in the price.
I'm not meaning to be cheeky here, but there has been several good reccommendations for respectable tuners in this thread, yet you appear to be brushing over it as if you know best? If you have so much knowledge and understanding why can't you do it yourself?
Most trades though offer estimates rather than fixed prices, so whats the problem? I know from a detailing perspective customers will agree on something and I quote a price for it, then when you get the car in they ask could you do this and this etc when you have it, yet expect that to be included in the price.
I'm not meaning to be cheeky here, but there has been several good reccommendations for respectable tuners in this thread, yet you appear to be brushing over it as if you know best? If you have so much knowledge and understanding why can't you do it yourself?
Sorry Hoss, I don't know you or who you work for, but in my line of business, the price agreed is the price agreed. If I mess up by not knowing what I am getting into, I pay the price for that not my customer.I don't see why tuners should be any different, after all they all seem to be 'experts' or 'specialists' in their chosen marques. I know that maybe sounds harsh, but it is what it is.
If such places were to offer a quote to cover all such matters, then its unlikely anyone would be prepared to actually pay for the job in the first place.
Ive said it before, because I know first hand. The owners might see it as a simple job to price and undertake timewise. They NEVER are. Ask anyone who has carried out such work....and £5k gets eaten up in no time. £10k dissappears just as fast.
So what do you feel is a reasonable price for the work ? Would you be prepared to pay say £10-20k ?
There are people who can do the work ok, but dont expect them to do it for nothing, especially if you are 100% insisting on a solid price up front. But asking that, will result in a massive quote to cover unforeseen aspects.
All conversions are time consuming jobs. And time really does = money.
Why not try it yourself? Failing that I would highly recomend ssi as they are the only people to get my supra and they rebuild my engine with good parts at a real good rate infact that good they do all the work that I can't do on my girlfriends Mercedes and my work horse polo
I'm sure a few people haven't seen eye to eye with ssi but then again how many businesses haven't had run ins with people ? It's how the world goes round
^^^ and then your going to end up with a crap conversion IMO. There is a massive difference in reading something on the net and the wealth of someones experience.
It's like detailing, the amount of how to's etc on the net, reviews of products etc it's 90% bollocks because there is to many people with little experience handing out advice.
If you want something done properly, it's best trusted to people that really know the in's and out's of it. You will normally in life get what you pay for?
Also, remember the rumor mill is a terrible thing, when there is a misunderstanding between a business and a customer, most people believe the customers story. I'd say half the time the blame could actually be laid with the customer
**edit** I didnt realise Eager had replied before me, it wasn't directed at his post
Totally agree tbh. I learnt the hard way with the fabia! Far better to get someone who knows what they're at with stuff like that. For every 20 satisfied customers, one bad report will always be what ends up on a forum.
Tbh, with a big engine conversion like that, if you have to ask how much, you can't afford it.lol
The price really isn't the issue. It is what it is. My issues are with the fact that the tuners seem to issue cheap prices to get the work that have no correlation with the actual price and that deadlines seem to be an arbitary date pulled at random. Also that the parts and labour billed are not always on the car. In short these guys are not trustworthy. It's hard to have faith in a mans work if he can't be trusted.