Red Light Camera - Westlink

[forde]

i went through one in england and never heard anything about it lol

 

[stevieturbo]

your accident was nothing to do with red light cameras, it was due to the person behind you not paying attention.

Either that or you were going to run it, decided not to, then slammed on the anchors causing an accident.

I wasnt there so Ill not judge.

It has everything to do with them. If the camera wasnt there I would have driven through as it was perfectly safe to do so in that transition to red. Im 99% sure it would have still been amber, but there wasnt a chance in hell I was going to risk points over crap like that. So I stopped. As for slamming on the anchors etc etc Balls.

Every single other car got stopped ok.

I'd love to see the statistics of such accidents at red light camera sites. But the problem is, they simply do not exist as the police refuse to record them.
I guess high accident rates at a "safety" camera site would make for bad press.

 

[deevtec]

A few months back I was at these lights but turning right to head towards town when the light went Amber I let the clutch out a bit to just past biting point but 1 of them ones wer you move a wee tad an put ur clutch back in if you know what I mean, the camera flashed an I never heard anymore about it so unless like avo said there's like a 2nd chance type thing with it but I defo did not jump the lights

 

[stevieturbo]

I actually stopped at them the other day, and another vehicle went through on a definite red. There was no flash.

The world didnt end either.

 

[Nicky Glanza]

i cant believe these lights actually exist! what next! i can see thier point however as red lights are there for a reason... however if you didnt see a flash your more than likely okay.. if for some reason you have 9 points on your license just appeal it and say you sold the car on

 

[pablo]

i cant believe these lights actually exist! what next!

i can see thier point however as red lights are there for a reason...

LMFAO which is it dude?

 

[stevieturbo]

In theory yes they may be good.

But the sort of person who is going to drive through a red light, is likely to be oblivious to the fact the camera is there, so will do it anyway.

The more conscientious driver would be more inclined to stop for the red light. And perhaps suffer the consequences of doing so to the oblivious driver.

So in reality, I dont see how they really improve safety at such junctions. All I can see is that there is a far far higher risk of rear end collisions. And TBH, Ive said that for years. I had always been paranoid about those sites and knew it was only a matter of time.

I guess another question might be.

What are the actual accident statistics for that junction that actually warranted the camera in the first place ?

Especially considering the Westlink junction with the most accidents Ive seen and heard of, dont have any red light cameras at all !!
In fact, they placed a camera heading from York St to the M2. Most accidents Ive seen there are either cars breaking the light from Great Georges Street onto the Westlink, or from the Westlink onto York Link.

Neither of which have cameras.

 

[pablo]

its very simple.

- driving through red lights is dangerous. fact. Not lights that just turn red when you cross the line, but full on red lights.
- if you do the above, and nothing happens, you continue to do it. Without thinking much of it. Until you crash.
- if you get flashed by a camera doing it, then you get a fine, 3 points, and likely increased insurance. you dont do it again.

Im no supporter of scameras by any means but IF they genuinely improve road safety and are used at accident blackspots, then fair enough they can only be a good thing.

Lets face it stevie, anyone who goes through a blatent red lights deserves what they get. Especially at a blind junction with high speed traffic coming off a motorway.

If you have to slam on the anchors to stop for a red light, youre a sh!te driver and likely deserve a shunt up the arse.

 

[pablo]

In fact, they placed a camera heading from York St to the M2. Most accidents Ive seen there are either cars breaking the light from Great Georges Street onto the Westlink, or from the Westlink onto York Link.

Neither of which have cameras.

I imagine that camera is there mainly to keep the junction free, it was desperate for ones blocking the junction while going towards the M2, holding back the westlink traffic. Again, people fly across there heading to the westlink, so keeping people back behind the line can only be a smart move.

 

[stevieturbo]

So not a road safety camera at all ?

Now it does get confusing. And people shouldnt fly across there, it is a 30mph zone after all.
If anything the danger would be from Gt Georges Street end traffic though as they do often race to get through to the Westlink.

If you have to slam on the anchors to stop for a red light, youre a sh!te driver and likely deserve a shunt up the arse.

Given the choice of risking nonsense points or abiding by the law and stopping at a red light....which would you do ? I did the same as every other car at that junction bar one. I stopped. Except the idiot who ended up behind me, didnt.
Or do you regularly drive through red lights ?

How is being perfectly legal and stopping at a red/amber light being a ****e driver ?
I think that having covered some 1.5 million miles over the years with no points or fault accidents....the person who drives into the legal car is the ****e driver.
Even if the law has no interest in punishing that person.

 

[pablo]

Ill put it more clearly, if you have to DO AN EMERGENCY STOP to get stopped at a red light then you are a sh!te driver.

There is a middle light which goes amber, most people see that and stop in a timely manner, thus reducing the chances of being rear ended.

Remember these cameras dont snap you for clipping a red light just as the ambers go out, its for blatent red light jumpers.

 

[dannyfawcett]

Well did he get done?

 

[datsun9292]

Well did he get done?

Been a week today mate. Fingers crossed when i say this, touch wood etc, i havent received anything throught he post yet

 

[stevieturbo]

Ill put it more clearly, if you have to DO AN EMERGENCY STOP to get stopped at a red light then you are a sh!te driver.

There is a middle light which goes amber, most people see that and stop in a timely manner, thus reducing the chances of being rear ended.

Remember these cameras dont snap you for clipping a red light just as the ambers go out, its for blatent red light jumpers.

So what are the timescales after red when they activate ?

And I cant see why anyone would ever perform an emergency stop at a red light.

 

[Kerzo]

It would be great for traffic lights on fast junctions/dual carriageaways to have a timer like on the continent where it shows you how long it will be until the light turns red.

At least it would give you an idea to either speed up or slow down rather than playing the guessing game.

 

[stevieturbo]

It would be great for traffic lights on fast junctions/dual carriageaways to have a timer like on the continent where it shows you how long it will be until the light turns red.

At least it would give you an idea to either speed up or slow down rather than playing the guessing game.

I actually seen one of those somewhere recently. I think it was down south ? Or it was at a pedestrian crossing or something.
It is a very good idea.

 

[Mark_C]

Might also stop those p***ks who just pile on even though there is nowhere to go and end up blocking the traffic approaching perpendicular to them when the light goes green for them.

 

[pablo]

So what are the timescales after red when they activate ?

I dont know, but they dont become active the second the light goes red. Have seen many cars go through just after it goes red and no flash.

And I cant see why anyone would ever perform an emergency stop at a red light.

I sometimes wonder about you, slamming on the brakes to stop for a red = emergency stop. I tried to make it easier for you to understand, seemingly I failed.

 

[funnydata]

My pet bug bear is people going through red lights, I honestly think they should have camera's on most junctions and fine these drivers, as example on way into work today at 4 different (major) junctions drivers careless blatently drove straight through red lights, may I also add this was long after they turned red and the drivers had plenty of time to stop, if they had of caused an accident it would have caused the rest of us people serious delays getting to work.

 

[stevieturbo]

I dont know, but they dont become active the second the light goes red. Have seen many cars go through just after it goes red and no flash.



I sometimes wonder about you, slamming on the brakes to stop for a red = emergency stop. I tried to make it easier for you to understand, seemingly I failed.

And who said I slammed on the brakes ? You seemed to make that one up. I stopped well before the line as normal. And before the lights turned red.

And either way, braking to a stop is not illegal nor is it an emergency. It would only be deemed an emergency in my eyes, if it was to avoid an unexpected hazard on the road.
Clearly that isnt the case. A herd of elephants didnt drop from the sky in front of me

And if you cannot specify exact workings of the cameras...I'm not going to take any chances on a hope it might not trigger.

Perhaps during daylight hours when light levels are higher, the flash isnt used ?

 

[pablo]

- you claim these cameras increase the risk of rear ending accidents
- this happens because people brake too heavily to stop at the red light and not get flashed

If the above is the case then the person braking hard for the light was either not paying attention or going too fast. bad driving on their part. Thats your claim btw, not mine. That the cameras cause these types of accidents.

- you stop normally at a red light
- someone rear ends you

In the above case its purely down to bad driving on the car behind. The existence of red light cameras is irrelevent in this case.

In both cases the person behind is at fault, due to being too close to the car in front. BUT in the first case the driver of the car in front is driving badly. There should be no need to have to aggressively brake for a red light. Bar of course a herd of elephants dropping from the sky (which is likely a joint govt/ins company ploy to steal more money from the motorist).

hope that clears it up.

 

[Nicky Glanza]

LMFAO which is it dude?

clearly if you read my post i can't believe these cameras exist as i would never have thought of them, an then i agree its a good idea... i can send this again and highlight and put certain words in capital to help you understand or you could get your copy of gay asian porn out and knock one out.

Ill put it more clearly, if you have to DO AN EMERGENCY STOP to get stopped at a red light then you are a sh!te driver.

There is a middle light which goes amber, most people see that and stop in a timely manner, thus reducing the chances of being rear ended.

Remember these cameras dont snap you for clipping a red light just as the ambers go out, its for blatent red light jumpers.

yes you say that but the obligation on the motorist is to stop, unless the light is green, in which case you may proceed only if it is clear and safe to do so. If the amber light is illuminated, a vehicle must stop, unless it has already passed the white stop line or the vehicle is so close to the stop line, that coming to a halt might cause an accident. If the red light is showing, then you must stop behind the stop line in all circumstances.

now i have put some words into bold there incase you dont understand also a vehicle may perform an emergency stop if safe to do so whenever a driver wish. This can be for brake testing etc And futhermore if a driver can stop safely before the white line in a small space from speed i would not say he is ****e driver but infact a good one that in case of an emergency lets say if a kid runs out with a ball.. he is infact able to stop

now as ive said again i can highligh key components maybe make you a summary of this comment just need to ask

 

[pablo]

No need to be a douche FFS

And your second schoolboy rant agrees exactly with what I'm trying to say.

Any good driver will be able to stop in a timely manner at a red light without the need to go through it. If anyone gets rear ended at lights it's the fault of the car behind.

Lastly any idiot can fo an emergency stop you just mash the brake pedal. Not like it's hard with abs doing the work, but if you need to do it to get stopped at a light you aren't paying attention or are going too fast.

If you want anything in bold just say.

 

[stevieturbo]

No emergency stop, No ABS used and no going too fast.

Just to clear up the obvious

 

[pablo]

stevie I wasnt implying you were at fault, the fault is clearly at the door of the chump behind you, whether you done an emergency stop or not. There is very little excuse for rear ending someone at lights. Any good driver will be anticipating the lights may change and be prepared for the car in front to stop, sometimes suddenly.

The point is that your argument that red light cameras cause these types of accidents is unfounded. Its purely down to the driver behind being too close and unprepared for the car in front stopping.